Monday, December 14, 2009

"Punishing" Joe Lieberman 

So, last year the flower and the chivalry of the Democratic Party did everything it could to drive Senator Joe Lieberman from their ranks, nominating the usual self-financing millionaire, Ned Lamont, for the Democratic nomination in his stead. Notwithstanding the best efforts of the Democrats, Lieberman won reelection as an independent and has continued to vote with the Democrats to organize the Senate. Now, for having the temerity to declare his opposition to the various health care "reform" bills in the Senate 81% of Democrats say Lieberman "should be punished."

I'm sure he's quaking in his boots.


By Blogger Escort81, at Mon Dec 14, 05:59:00 PM:

Browsing through the comments at the link to Huffpo, I was particularly amazed at this one:

As for joe himself, I think he should be deported to the one country he's loyal to.

and this one:

Political analysts and intelligentsia opined that this senator has been working as a double political agent all throughout his Political Career. A good number of political thinkers even opined that he is more interested in the welfare of a particular foreign country than that of the country of which he is a senator. A really unfortunate tragedy for the country.

The overt anti-Semitism that parts of the Left have a habit of displaying should, at some point, I would think, start costing it support among Jews.  

By Anonymous Ken Hoop, at Mon Dec 14, 06:10:00 PM:

Anti-zionism and criticism of dual loyalty is anti-semitism?

If it weren't for traditional conservative GOPers like Pat Buchanan, I would waste time linking a Jew who agreed with the posts, so you could call he or she "self-hating."  

By Blogger JPMcT, at Mon Dec 14, 06:13:00 PM:

"The overt anti-Semitism that parts of the Left have a habit of displaying should, at some point, I would think, start costing it support among Jews"

That won't happen...any more than the overt racism demonstrated by Southern Democrats over the past half century cost the party support amongst blacks.

Lieberman is a rarity - An ethical liberal in Washington.  

By Blogger Escort81, at Mon Dec 14, 06:33:00 PM:

Ken Hoop - The accusation, implied or otherwise, of dual loyalty is a form of easy and hopefully relatively benign anti-Semitism. Anti-Zionism doesn't enter into my calculation. Many Jews in this country do not favor settlements and would likely not be Likud members if they lived in Israel, but they are not anti-Zionist -- that is, you can agree with much of what the more liberal wing of the Democratic Party wants to happen in the Middle East and be somewhat neutral on Zionism, but realistic about the notion that every Israeli is going to get up and leave because Hamas and Hezbollah want them to. Notice the commenters don't name the country, but we all know they aren't talking about South Korea. Furthermore, the comments were off-topic to the healthcare issue and as such were ad hominem.

Look, JFK went through a similar thing in 1960 regarding his Catholicism -- "dual loyalty" to the Vatican -- and it was just as heinous then. Just ask Pat Buchanan, he's RC.  

By Blogger Dawnfire82, at Mon Dec 14, 08:12:00 PM:

"Anti-zionism and criticism of dual loyalty is anti-semitism?"

It wasn't criticism of dual loyalty. It was an allegation of dual loyalty, and advocacy for his forced deportation, because he's a Jew. More specifically, because he's a Jew whose not on their side of the 'health-care debate.'

And 'anti-Zionism' is a refuge of cowards. It's a pesudo-respectable label that anti-Semites use to cloak themselves. Divorcing the term from actual anti-Semitism is merely a definitional exercise that ignores political realities and honestly applies only to a relatively few number of people.

'Zionism' literally means a belief that the nation of Israel, a self-described Jewish state, has a right to exist.

'Anti-Zionist' literally means that you believe Israel has no right to exist.

It just so happens that there are millions of people in this world (mostly, but not exclusively, Arabs) who routinely attempt or support attempts to murder, kidnap, and torture Jews in the name of 'anti-Zionism.' (because when you get down to it, there was really no difference between Leon Klinghoffer and Menachim Begin, right?)

Or, as the case may be, condemn a sitting Senator based on his ethnicity. If conservatives did that with a black or Arab congressman ('he's just a lobbyist for Nigeria/Saudi oil!'), you'd be screaming about ignorant rednecks and their racism and Jim Crow laws.

But a Jewish senator who 'betrays' your side by not voting the way you want on a given bill? Kick him the fuck out of the country, he's obviously an Israeli traitor.

Yeah, that's *totally* different from anti-Semitism.  

By Blogger Gary Rosen, at Tue Dec 15, 02:23:00 AM:

Escort81, I wasn't amazed at all. A recent survey shows the Democrat party to be significantly more antisemitic than the Republican:


As for Ken Hoop, DF82 answered him better than I could.  

By Blogger Jim in Virginia, at Tue Dec 15, 06:16:00 AM:

"traditional conservative GOPers like Pat Buchanan"
Say what? Buchanon fits with the isolationists circa 1940, or the xenophobic Know Nothings circa 1840(who feared the rising tide of Pat's immigrant ancestors. )
Traditional conservatives are Goldwater, Reagan, and Buckley. They'd have nothing to do with what Buchanon has said lately.  

By Anonymous Boludo Tejano, at Tue Dec 15, 08:17:00 AM:

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By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Dec 15, 09:50:00 AM:

When Dodd loses next year's election, will his "friends of Angelo," special low interest rate loan and other gifts that we don't know about, fall to the new senior Senator from Conn., Mr. Lieberman?  

By Blogger Kirk Petersen, at Tue Dec 15, 03:50:00 PM:

Lieberman beat Lamont in 2006, not last year.

Other than that, I'm with you on Lieberman. He's a hero.  

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