Saturday, May 02, 2009
The Obi-Wan paradox in public relations
As leftists mock and belittle Carrie Prejean she becomes more popular than they can possibly imagine.
Link.
The Prejean story reveals the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the political feminists. She has been smeared, belittled, and attacked for physical attributes, all for honestly answering a question and delivering the same opinion on gay marriage as espoused by Barack Obama. The activist feminists, who normally would be vocal in their outrage over such public and caustic rage aimed at a fundamentally innocent woman, are out of moves, though, because they do not want to turn on their allies in the gay and lesbian community and in any case are offended by beauty pageants and cosmetic surgery. Principles and justice, apparently, have nothing to do with it.
19 Comments:
By 
, at
Sat May 02, 03:13:00 PM:
Wow. So the gender identity "principals" espoused by these organizations really have nothing to do with it? Hmmm... Then, could feminism be just another political prop for highly ideological leftiness? Is that the point?
I'm pretty sure CC would just call them ideologically bankrupt, and hypocritical, wouldn't he?
By , at
Sat May 02, 03:40:00 PM:
Heh: that would be "principles".
By 
JPMcT, at
Sat May 02, 04:06:00 PM:
By the way...can anybody name (without looking it up) the ACTUAL WINNER of the pageant??
Heh, Heh...didn't think so....
Good Ol' Miss California will be a household name and have tremendous opportunities that she would never have approached as the "real deal".
So, in a sense, there is some justice.
By , at
Sat May 02, 04:25:00 PM:
Too bad ol Perez didnt ask Ms Prejean what she thought of Muslim practices of clitroectomies and/or honor killings.
Then we'd really hear the NOW crickets a-chirping.
Who is NOW willing to offend these days? i remember the good ol days when they offended everybody. ROFLMAO.
Anyways...an irrelevant gaggle of hags nowadays if there ever was one. Look at the sexual antics of the college aged cohort of the US population that was the lifeblood of the movement in the early 70s when Billie "Gene" King beat Bobby Riggs in that hokey tennis match. The young lasses are willing to get on their knees and not call it sex.....thank you Bill Clinton for informing the sexual intelligence of young "wymyn" in the halls of "higher" education....this mentality is rife in American high schools and MIDDLE SCHOOLS for chrissakes.
Ms. Prejean is a shero in my book. And has far more courage than the hocus pocus imposter in the white house.
By Elise, at
Sat May 02, 04:27:00 PM:
Please don’t call women like Gloria Feldt “feminists”. I’m a feminist; she and her kind are “Institutional Feminists” which has nothing to do with being a feminist and everything to do with being a lickspittle for the liberal patriarchy. Feminists - real feminists - do not attack women - any women - in sexist terms. Period.
The treatment of Carrie Prejean is not new, TH, it's simply Institutional Feminism in the Time of Obama - just ask Sarah Palin. The attacks by Institutonal Feminists on Prejean have less to do with their alliance with the GLBT movement and more to do with their willingness to classify conservative women as not deserving feminism’s protection.
It’s ironic, in a nauseating sort of way. Feminists - real feminists - fought long and hard to do away with the idea that women could be divided into Madonnas and sluts, into good girls and bad girls, with the former owed respect and the latter designated as fair game. Now Institutional Feminists have re-established those same two categories: women who think like they do are on pedestals while women who think differently are fit only for the gutter.
By , at
Sat May 02, 04:54:00 PM:
Did it ever occur to you that Opies glistening pecs may too be implants!
By Steve M. Galbraith, at
Sat May 02, 05:22:00 PM:
The shocking (okay, I exaggerate; after all, this is the internet) aspect to me was the behavior of MSNBC news anchor Keith Olbermann.
This is supposed to be a professional journalist, someone that the network has built its reputation around. He co-anchors their news desk during the election and campaign coverage and was the moderator of one of the Democratic debates.
Ostensibly, this is a person of some reportorial prestige.
And here he is acting like - once again (see his "teabags" jokes) - a junior high school teenager.
He's a buffoon, a disgrace and has no business being any part of any major cable news neworks.
By , at
Sat May 02, 05:25:00 PM:
So ... isn't a person's medical history, even if it's obvious that there's been work done, private? did the former Miss Cali violate any laws by ratting her out?
And still, who the F cares what some pantywaist thinks. The 'feminist' on Fox claimed that being against gay marriage is the minority view, but even if that were true, who cares. Pretty soon the 'minority' will be on the public dole ... then what? it becomes non-PC to be paying in so we all just stand down and get on Lady Liberties teet?
And to make it worse, it could sson be a hate crime to call Perez a fag, or a sissy, or a turd burgler, rump ranger, pole smoker ... you know, if I were inclined to call him names. She's not my type, but if that judge's husband could have a ride with her, I'll bet the odds are high he'd have second thoughts about some dude's booty.
Just saying.
By , at
Sat May 02, 05:34:00 PM:
At my age, I've been around the block enough times to wear grooves in it, but I'm stymied-what the heck is a ...lickspittle?
Didn't olbermann used to be a sports reporter who got fired? Or am I thinking of another nitwit?
I gotta remember lickspittle.
By Escort81, at
Sat May 02, 06:48:00 PM:
Elise -
...fought long and hard to do away with the idea that women could be divided into Madonnas and sluts, into good girls and bad girls, with the former owed respect and the latter designated as fair gameI infer from the context that you are using the term "Madonna" in the Christian or Renaissance art sense, and not in reference to the pop singer, otherwise it is hard to see the contrast.
I agree with your point -- it is ironic. Being male, I can't fully appreciate it, but it must leave a bitter taste.
By Elise, at
Sat May 02, 08:40:00 PM:
Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable defines "lickspittle" as "a toady; the meanest of sycophants." It is someone who licks the spittle of his or her master; a brown-noser if you will. Because I originally encountered it in a Delderfield novel in which a character was talking about royal assassins, to me it also has overtones of doing evil deeds for one's overlord.
Yes, Escort81, I was using "Madonna" in the Christian sense. Showing my age, I suppose - the "Madonna versus whore" dichotomy was a very big deal 35 years ago when modern feminism took off. And, yes, it does leave a very bitter taste, of gall and wormwood.
By , at
Sat May 02, 09:15:00 PM:
Who even watches beauty pageants anyway? I am a 41-year old guy and I don't remember any time -- as a high school or college student, or as a young man, and certainly not now -- when any guys I know would watch them. My wife and her friends don't watch them either. Maybe it is a regional thing, or maybe we are just out of touch, but I always assumed these pageants were targeted to older women and/or gay guys. If so, that could be why the reaction to her relatively mild comment was so strong.
By , at
Sat May 02, 11:41:00 PM:
I continue to cling to the conviction that America is greater than its public politics and social controversies.
So I have a theory about that whole affair. That theory is based on the fact that Ms. Perjean called on Ms. Perez to ask her a question. She could call on any of 5 judges to ask her a question, but she chose Ms. Perez. So keep that fact in mind.
The rest of my theory goes like this: it was a forgettable affair with a forgettable outcome. The only way to make it out of the ordinary was to generate a controversy. So Ms. Perjean arranged a deal with Ms. Perez. She calls on Ms. Perez and Ms. Perez asks her a provocative question to which she gives a provocative answer. Both get a notoriety way out of the proportion the event deserves, both become heroes in their own circles and who cares who the stupid winner is anyway?
By , at
Sun May 03, 05:15:00 AM:
First they changed the meaning of the word "is". Now they are trying to change the definition of the word "marriage".
The word "hypocrite" has now has two meanings, depending on which political party is being represented. Why is the left at war with the dictionary?
By TigerHawk, at
Sun May 03, 06:10:00 AM:
Elise, I was trying to be sensitive to the point you made about "institutional feminists," although I did not know that term. I used the term "political feminists" as a synonym, I believe, for your term.
I do love the word lickspittle, although I do not recall that I have used it on this blog. That will change.
Candide, my guess is that there was no ex ante conspiracy between Ms. Perjean and Perez Hilton (who is male). But there is clearly a public relations symbiosis here, and my guess is that they have been playing it out ex post in full consciousness of your point.
By , at
Sun May 03, 10:01:00 AM:
The normalphobics will attack anyone who they deem is not pro-homosexual. It doesn't matter who and it will get very much worse.
By , at
Sun May 03, 11:57:00 AM:
TH,
They both get to say what they believe in and both get to benefit from it.
Isn't that the American way?
By Elise, at
Sun May 03, 12:27:00 PM:
Ah, got you, TH, on the "activist" label. And thank you.
As for Ms. Prejean calling on Mr. Perez, she picked his name out of a hat. (Well, fishbowl, really.) It's possible it was a set-up but I doubt it. As for how it played out, she may be making the best of a bad situation but I'm afraid I'm simply incapable of believing any sane woman would seek the type of vitriol that has been directed at her. Of course that may speak more to my limited belief set than to reality.
By , at
Mon May 04, 09:18:00 AM:
Elise said, "As for Ms. Prejean calling on Mr. Perez, she picked his name out of a hat. (Well, fishbowl, really.)"
Interesting. One of my children who watched the show said the same thing, However, I have read reports from "journalists" who said that Carrie chose the question. Make you wonder what other messages the MSM is trying to shape.
"Normalphobics" - Now there is a word that belongs in the dictionary!
