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Tuesday, November 15, 2005

The Clintons 

By Cardinalpark at 11/15/2005 10:37:00 AM
Say what you will about them, but they are really intelligent politicians. By showing up in Amman, they signalled (to me anyway), that they understand the War on Terror and its vital linkage to success in Iraq. By sending the former President Clinton on missions with the former President Bush on tsunami and hurricane relief, they have signalled their unity with the Administration on matters of urgency to the country. Note that GWB never assailed Clinton for not doing more against al Qaeda during his presidency, and Clinton never attacked GWB on the Iraq decision. Intelligent politics folks. All the other stuff is a distraction.

I suspect Hillary will not show up as a cold foot Democrat. And while I disagree with the Clintons on a host of issues, mostly domestic, and think they made some naive foreign policy decisions in the 1990s, I don't think they would make similar mistakes again. Her, and serious Democrats', greatest challenge in 2008 will be holding their fractured party together on the subject of the prosecution of the War against Islamofascism.

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By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Nov 15, 12:44:00 PM:

Dear Mr. TigerHawk:

It will be interesting to see what kind of emotional state the Democratic Party primary electorate will be in in late 2007. The Iraq war will probably be fading as an issue by then. But if not, Senator Clinton may amazingly be radioactive to these primary voters because of her Iraq war vote. In this case, Senator Russ Feingold would be a surprise favorite for the nomination.

On the Republican side, it will likewise be interesting to watch Rudi Giuliani, a presidential candidate who could probably get 450 electoral votes without breaking a sweat, fail with the Republican primary electorate.

Would Mr. Giuliani then run, and win, as an independent?

Westhawk  

By Blogger Jason Pappas, at Tue Nov 15, 03:41:00 PM:

The Clintons always believed that a centrist image (“New Democrat”) is the key to electoral success.

I also believe the party will unite behind her because of the exaggerated fear and loathing they have for Republicans. For anecdotal support, I remember seeing an informal poll taken on the Kos website, which showed Wesley Clark as the front runner. When I asked them about the war issue they seemed so determined to beat the Republicans that they’d take any candidate that has a strong defense image, in their opinion, if it gets the job done.

With the exception of Ramsey Clark and Cindy Sheehan, I expect little opposition to a strong hawkish Democrat. Remember how angry the Democrats were at Ralph Nader for running again? The 2008 election might very well be a replay of the 1960 election with the charges of “soft on Communism” replaced by charges of “soft on Islamism.” OK, that might be a stretch but it will surely be about who can fight it better.

Jason  

By Blogger cakreiz, at Tue Nov 15, 04:35:00 PM:

After watching the Bush Administration stumbling around this year, it's a pleasure to see any politican acting competently.  

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Nov 15, 05:08:00 PM:

The Clintons were always good at signalling. It was with the doing that they fell flat. Ever sit through a Clinton SOU where there were 100s of things talked about, come the day after they were all forgotten.

Live for the moment.  

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Nov 15, 10:55:00 PM:

Agreed - the Clintons (or at least Bill) was great at telling you the check was in the mail. But I'm so damn tired of watching Democrats promise and promise and promise... then CONSISTENTLY fail to deliver... that I'm almost Democrat-proof at this point. I mean, damn, how stupid do they think I am? They think I can't remember from one election to the next what's been promised?

Give me a Miller-Lieberman ticket, and I'd consider it. A Clinton-Kerry ticket? That'd be a damn howler.

JB71  

By Blogger cakreiz, at Wed Nov 16, 10:58:00 AM:

Card: I've noticed that you and Hawk have have recently posted relatively kind words for Hillary. Is this a harbinger of things to come? I don't know if she's a hawk or not- but I sure wouldn't want to be on her enemies list.  

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 16, 11:37:00 AM:

Ahh - you spoke too soon: "and Clinton never attacked GWB on the Iraq decision"

Clinton says Iraq invasion was a big mistake
Associated Press, THE JERUSALEM POST Nov. 16, 2005
The United States made a "big mistake" when it invaded Iraq, former President Bill Clinton said Wednesday, citing the lack of planning for what would happen after dictator Saddam Hussein was overthrown.  

By Blogger Catchy Pseudonym, at Thu Nov 17, 11:30:00 PM:

Think about how much bootie Bill's going to get as First Husband. Oh yea, it's got to be better than being president... Twice the lovin', half the stress.  

By Blogger Catchy Pseudonym, at Thu Nov 17, 11:32:00 PM:

Would it be First Husband or First Gentleman?  

By Blogger Cardinalpark, at Fri Nov 18, 03:32:00 PM:

You know, you try to be gracious and complimentary, and then they guy switches horses -- it is enough to make you hate him all over again.

Must be Bill talking to the base, while Hill talks to the middle.  

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Nov 24, 05:46:00 PM:

Proving that the name of his book should have been MY LIES and he could have selected another title but the name MIEN KAMPF was already taken  

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