Thursday, January 01, 2009
The years that sucked more than 2008
Unless you were short the S&P 500 and oil since July, 2008 was probably not a great year for you. A lot went wrong, and we will bear the consequences for a generation, at least. It was, however, hardly the worst that Americans have faced, even within the oral tradition of the Baby Boomers. If you are over 45 and knew your grandparents well, your own "family memory" might go back as far as 1900. So, how does 2008 compare to the worst years since the beginning of the 20th century? Such comparisons are difficult to make, since one year's suckiness is different in kind from another year's, but we will not let that stop us from boldly looking for even crappier years. Therefore, behold my nominations for the years since 1900 that were worse, in the aggregate, than 2008, in reverse chronological order, with links to the Wikipedia pages and highlights, or rather low lights, of the year.
That's my list of the years that clearly sucked more than 2008. Other plausible candidates include 2001 (September 11 and its aftermath), 1982 (recession, inflation, and crippling interest rates), 1980 (massive inflation), 1969 (a continuation of the hideousness of 1968), 1929-31 (the Crash of '29 and the start of the Depression) and 1907 (big financial panic). What years would you add to the list?
MORE: Bloomberg says that 2008 was "by some measures" the worst year that anybody under the age of 70 has seen. Other than by certain financial market metrics, I don't think so. Even I, a corporate tool, do not think that money is everything.
27 Comments:
By , at Thu Jan 01, 03:07:00 PM:
1861 - The Year the War Between the States started in the US. The "fights" between the Republicans and Democrats in 2008 are nothing compared to the death toll of our civil war.
By , at Thu Jan 01, 04:35:00 PM:
In my lifetime, 1968 remains the worst. I was just a kid at the time, but I could watch t.v. and the world from that perspective looked very scary indeed.
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By , at Thu Jan 01, 05:24:00 PM:
Why do you list the establishment of the Bauhaus school of architecture as a negative?? The Bauhaus school was profoundly influential. Among its goals, in post-war Germany, was to design and produce affordable housing for the masses of (surviving) Germans -- a noble goal that would have helped to enfranchise a lot of "sour grapes" Germans, and perhaps reduced the appeal of the fascists.
Even if you personally don't like the influence of the Bauhaus school on modern architecture, that's a matter of taste. For a lot of people, modern architecture (and I do *not* mean post-modern architecture) was a breath of fresh air, a clean break from the centuries of over-wrought and hideous European architecture.
By , at Thu Jan 01, 06:11:00 PM:
Thanks, very interesting. I do note that you leave out some environmental disasters... how about the pollution in London in some of the early years, or the river in Ohio being so toxic, or the Russian pollution that occurred over the years the Commies were in power.
By Donna B., at Thu Jan 01, 06:47:00 PM:
Very funny listing Andy Rooney's birth in 1919! The rest, not so funny.
1968 was a horrible year. The earlier ones listed, I don't personally remember, though I've heard many sad tales of the 1930s.
By , at Thu Jan 01, 06:58:00 PM:
1913 was the year that the federal government had handed over all banking powers to private central bankers and created the Federal Reserves in the dead of Christmas night.
By , at Thu Jan 01, 08:11:00 PM:
I hadn't been aware of the takeover in Mecca in 1979. That was interesting.
By , at Thu Jan 01, 10:57:00 PM:
Truth is we don't know how bad, or good 2008 is yet. Like many of the other events listed, they may look small now, but in the decade snowball to huge problems. Might be looking back in twenty years at this list, listing "X was elected president of Y", "Z was published for the first time", or "J migrated to M". Maybe history gets more in focus the farther away you stand.
By Gary Rosen, at Fri Jan 02, 12:12:00 AM:
I could say that 1998 sucked because of the Lewinsky scandal, but I won't.
By , at Fri Jan 02, 12:35:00 AM:
Bauhaus brought us functional drab boxes, with minimal aesthetic niceties. It was the ethic of socialism expressed in architecture. It sucked.
By Micajah, at Fri Jan 02, 12:37:00 AM:
Where did you find a decline of 9 percent in real GDP in the first quarter of 1975? I found this site, which indicates the total decline from the last quarter of 1973 through all of 1974 to the first quarter of 1975 was 6.8 percent.
http://www.applet-magic.com/rec1974.htm
By Yishai, at Fri Jan 02, 12:43:00 AM:
Wow. Great summaries Tigerhawk. This post sure helps to put the current 'miseries' in perspective.
By Tully, at Fri Jan 02, 01:09:00 AM:
1855-1858, the Border War aka "Bleeding Kansas." Where pro- and anti-slavery forces got their unofficial start on the Civil War.
It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another....
By , at Fri Jan 02, 01:27:00 AM:
Your last comment about money not being everything is spot on, TH. Look how much living standards have improved. By and large, rural Nebraska didn't have telephones and electricity until after WWII. How can a bear market compare with having to head out to the outhouse at 2 a.m. on a 0 degree night? Life is still good.
By T J Sawyer, at Fri Jan 02, 01:41:00 AM:
1962 - For "14 days in October" (you can google that!) I came home from school watching reports of U.S. troops being massed in the Southeast in preparation for war with Cuba. If I recall correctly, numerous gov't officials kissed their wives goodbye in the morning assuming they might never see them again after the mushroom cloud.
By , at Fri Jan 02, 01:48:00 AM:
There were many bad years even after 1979 (perhaps not economically). 2001 was bad. 1982 was bad.
Also, in 1979, China invaded Vietnam and 100,000 died. As this was at the same time as the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the Iranian revolution, it appeared that the whole continent of Asia was about to fly apart.
That was SERIOUS.
By , at Fri Jan 02, 02:45:00 AM:
At one of my father's reunions, I spoke with one of his junior officers, who said with conviction that 1968 was America's worst year of his time. That was when he came home from Vietnam. The venom and hatred he encountered obviously still disturbed him greatly to this day.
By Strabo the Lesser, at Fri Jan 02, 05:26:00 AM:
1976-9 sounds familiar. Fresh Democratic face succeeds hated Republican on a platform of hope and change. Change comes in the form of even worse inflation, unemployment, tax increases and oil shocks and the utter collapse of US foreign policy resulting in the failed holding of hundreds of hostages by the Islamic Republic of Iran and a failed military operation in the Middle East (at Desert One).
By TigerHawk, at Fri Jan 02, 08:03:00 AM:
Micajah, you wrote:
Where did you find a decline of 9 percent in real GDP in the first quarter of 1975? I found this site, which indicates the total decline from the last quarter of 1973 through all of 1974 to the first quarter of 1975 was 6.8 percent.
Sorry I did not post a link. I'll see if I can dig it up again. Either I am wrong, or it is the difference between cumulative decline and year-over-year decline. I suspect that a single quarter of Y/Y decline of 9% would be necessary in a stretch that achieved 6.8% in aggregate decline, so they may not be inconsistent.
By Bob Hawkins, at Fri Jan 02, 12:51:00 PM:
I've always said: when it comes to bad things, I'll take WWI against anything you can come up with.
All you need to know about WWI: the ossuarium at Verdun contains human remains that couldn't be identified even as to nationality. The remains of an estimated 200,000 men are contained there. The Verdun front never moved significantly.
By , at Fri Jan 02, 01:12:00 PM:
How many of you actually FELT worse in 2008? Honestly?
If you were among those who lost work, or had your company downsized, then sure: It was a crappy year.
But I'm willing to bet that for the large majority of us here, nothing about "life on the ground" actually changed. Most of the negativity we're feeling is simply fear and anxiety. And it's that very feeling of fear and anxiety, collectively, that WILL precipitate bad stuff in the economy.
If we stop spending, stop investing, stop hiring -- all because we've worked ourselves up into a stressed-out lather about what might happen -- then we'll bring on the very thing we're worried about.
It's sort of like being obsessively jealous with your faithful girlfriend. In reality everything is fine, but you're apt to create the very thing you fear -- her leaving -- simply by worrying about it so much and making life hell.
Everybody should just keep their heads down and keep producing and consuming. That's all the economy is anyway, that series of exchanges. If everybody does that, we'll be fine.
By mockmook, at Fri Jan 02, 01:43:00 PM:
Good comment TTODID.
Tigerhawk, weren't those "alleged" State Department commies, actually commies?
By , at Fri Jan 02, 03:14:00 PM:
"But I'm willing to bet that for the large majority of us here, nothing about "life on the ground" actually changed. Most of the negativity we're feeling is simply fear and anxiety. And it's that very feeling of fear and anxiety, collectively, that WILL precipitate bad stuff in the economy."
True, but there's other badnesses that haven't been resolved yet. Like the huge national debt, or those insane mortgages that were being handed out like candy for years, or the doubling or tripling or more of house prices in a few years in some areas.
I've NEVER understood how we could rack up TRILLIONS of dollars of debt. I've never understood what sort of plastic doobie the bankers were smoking that would cause them to give huge nothing-down loans to people with bad credit. I cashed in and realized a 6-figure appreciation when my house value doubled in a few years, but I'm still uncomfortable with how easy it was. If I could do it almost accidentally, how much value was being sucked out of the economy by people who knew what they were doing?
You're absolutely right, 2008 wasn't bad for me personally, or most of the people I know. But then, issues like the above bothered me enough that a few years ago I left the big city (Minneapolis) for a small town outstate, because I sensed a crash coming sooner or later and out here the economic highs aren't so high, but neither are the lows so low.
Anyway, I'm free of all non-mortgage debt now, and am planning to have the house paid off ASAP, and start building a nest egg. Just doing my part to improve the national savings and debt figures. I'll just leave it to others right now to provide the sales figures.
By Bob Houk, at Fri Jan 02, 03:33:00 PM:
Tigerhawk: Why the "(maybe)" in regard to the Zimmerman Telegram? Zimmerman himself said it was real.
Good list -- I think many people are over-reacting so badly to the economy simply because they've never (as an adult) experienced a meaningful downturn (1991 and 2001 barely meet minimum standards for recessions).
Putting aside the years I didn't experience or don't remember (I was born in 1947), the worst year was probably 1968 -- it really seemed (to a callow youth, at least) that the world was falling apart. Economically, the Seventies (into 1982) were a long horror show.
By , at Fri Jan 02, 11:14:00 PM:
heh, the Bengals were founded. Good addition to the many woes of 1968...
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