Monday, March 12, 2007
And She Also Attended Woodstock...
Doesn't anybody read their own18 Comments:
By Habu, at Mon Mar 12, 03:36:00 PM:
She WAS at Woodstock..she was in the rehab tent pull'n on Wavy Gravy. Whip it. Whip it good.
She was also with Sonny Barger and the Oakland Hell's Angels at The Rolling Stones' Altamont Free Concert in 1969. She was rid'n the cushion on his hog and groov'n to da sounds.
Then like right after that she went with Patty Hearst to the Leather and Lace Cotillion at the Heart Castle escorted by Roman Polanski...all true dude..Spike Lee is work'n on a screenplay right now.
Did ehe meet BILLL there and how many future radicals did she rub elbows with during that time?
By Pudentilla, at Mon Mar 12, 03:52:00 PM:
I think you made a mistake. Your last sentence should read, "Bob -- fact check, okay."
Dear lord, how many times will Novak sell you guys shit before you realize you're not buying caviar from the man.
By SR, at Mon Mar 12, 04:00:00 PM:
Whew, and here I thought Novak had exposed her a liar.
By GreenmanTim, at Mon Mar 12, 05:21:00 PM:
"Do I contradict myself? very well, then, I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman
But then he would be unelectable today, as I suspect would you, or I.
Yeah, Hillary and Forrest Gump.
Except that one is a fictional character.....
-David
By Christopher Chambers, at Mon Mar 12, 06:15:00 PM:
Jeez--if Bob Novak and the NY Post says it, it must be gospel. Ask Scooter (and his boss)...
By Gordon Smith, at Mon Mar 12, 09:08:00 PM:
Debunked
Check your own facts, CP. Believing it just because Bob Novak says it is like believing something because Rush Limbaugh says it.
You've got to smarten up before we get any closer to '08. Already you're getting the vapors whenever anyone in the Right Wing Noise Machine dangles an easily debunked meme. Imagine how you'll be in a year if you don't settle down.
By Frederick, at Mon Mar 12, 10:57:00 PM:
I'm no Hillary Clinton fan, so this doesn't surprise me at all. What does surprise me is how you all embrace this article because it's a political hit to HRC, even though it highlights what Conservatives constantly deny (and at the same time wonder aloud about), that African American voters vote the way they do. They do it because it was Liberals (irregardless of Party) that were behind the 1964 voting-rights bill, and that they don't vote Republican because that's where the Conservatives have been since Goldwater.
By Steve Burri, at Tue Mar 13, 12:01:00 AM:
Yeah, have more respect for someone named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
By Cardinalpark, at Tue Mar 13, 08:14:00 AM:
Uh, critics, hold on. She made a public speech, of which there's a record, film and a transcript. there she discussed being at the Kig speech in Chicago. the context of her speech was competing with Obama.
Separately, she wrote a book describing herself as a teenage Goldwater Republican.
This has nothing to do with accusing Novak of anything or a political "hit". He is simply reporting two facts, which are in utter contradiction to one another.
In part, it's amusing. In part, it's pathetic. But it is neatly supportive of Geffen's lament about the Clinton's ease with lying. And perhaps it also reflects her concern about Obama's potential.
By Gordon Smith, at Tue Mar 13, 09:46:00 AM:
Even when the facts are against you, just keep lying. You've learned a lot from this Bush administration, CP.
There's no Clinton lie here. Go read the debunking material.
Pathetic hit job, CP, you've managed to lower your standards even further and cement forever your status as least competent blogger at Tigerhawk.
Well, I'm a committed lefty-center Democrat, who sometimes seeks out right-wing blogs. Somtimes for amusement, but occasionally -- shockingly -- because some right-wingers have a point. Guess that means I can never run for president.
Do you really think it's so impossible for someone raised as a Republican to be be taken to see MLK, and then, while that speech may not have caused her to immediately switch sides, it did have an effect and planted the seeds of her intellectual evolution a few years down the line? There are plenty of legit criticisms of the Clintons to be thrown around (I doubt I'll be voting for her), but this one is just silly.
BO from Chicago
By Cardinalpark, at Tue Mar 13, 12:21:00 PM:
Screwy - What's the lie? What did Novak lie about? Please? What? Go on. What did I lie about? Novak is a credible reporter. I certainly haven't heard you complaining about his Plame reportage. You sound like a 2 year old.
BO - it's quite possible that she was stirred by the MLK speech, whether that one or the Washington speech, which is extraordinary. But it's tough to square support for Goldwater and MLK, given their disagreement over the voting rights act. And it's not so easy to square being head of the Welleley Republicans a few years later.
I would love to hear her square it. That would be cool. Or maybe Geffen can.
By Frederick, at Tue Mar 13, 02:01:00 PM:
"Novak is a credible reporter."
...and with that statement, what little credibility you had went out the window.
First point: Novak asserts that Hillary's speech claimed an "attachment" to King in the sixties -- but if you look at the actual speech, you'll see that she never claimed she had any attachment to King at the time. Novak simply invented this out of thin air, because it was the only way he could imply a contradiction here.
By Cardinalpark, at Tue Mar 13, 02:17:00 PM:
Frederick - thanks for the link. Two responses. I reviewed the link, and read the associated passage. I also followed all of the embedded links.
First, please note -- and I love this -- that the mediamatters folks critiquing the same accusation of hypocrisy Novak makes, and to which I link, are actually decrying 2 reporters from the -- gasp -- New York Times! Mon dieu. C'est possible? Novak plagiarized Patrick Healy and Jeff Zeleny from the Liberal Paper of record. Ahhh. They called her a hypocrite before Novak did. Ahhhhh. That's awesome.
Secondly, in now way does even the primary source quotation from Hillary's memoirs remove her from the hook -- now sunk by at least a troika of MSMers -- and even merry pranksters like me.
She is trying to -- like her brilliant political adviser and occasional father of her child -- have it BOTH ways. Yes Dr. King awakened me with is rapturous speech and philosophy. But not so much that I didn't still go for my Dad's guy -- that would be Mr. No Voting Rights Act Goldwater -- because I was still Daddy's little girl.
Gag me with a spoon! You must be kidding. What kid thinks that way? Do you have kids?
It's laughable.
Like I said -- and she attended Woodstock too. Yeah right.
I'm Goin' Home. Name the band and guitarist....
By Gordon Smith, at Tue Mar 13, 02:56:00 PM:
Facts matter, CP.
You could adjust your post or your argument to fit the facts, but that would be too liberal I reckon.
To all you able bodied Tigerhawk readers, go check out the debunking then come back and help CP make his argument. He's really painted himself into a corner and needs a friend.
Woodstock is that little yellow bird that hang out with snoopy. and did you ever see the valintine charlie brown special? woodstock hits snoopy in the nose with the valintine